Episode 22 - Bible Prophecy for the Grieving Mother with Jessica Speas


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Join us for a conversation with Jessica Speas about Bible Prophecy and The End Times. This is an opportunity for grieving mothers to learn more about Bible Prophecy and the hope we have as we await Jesus' Second Coming. With a third of the Bible being about prophecy, this is a topic we cannot ignore as Christ-followers.


In our season of grief and in this broken world we live, our hope can only be found in Jesus who has promised to return to this earth to rule and reign. Jessica, a grieving mom herself, is passionate about teaching Bible Prophecy and encouraging women to "look up" for their Blessed Hope.


In this episode, we answered these questions:

  • Why does Bible Prophecy matter to the grieving mom?

  • Why aren't more people talking about prophecy?

  • What will the future Heaven be like?

  • When will we be reunited with our babies?

  • What is the rapture and when will it happen in the timeline?

  • Who is the Anti-Christ and what will he do?

  • What is the Seven-Year Tribulation and the mark of the beast?

  • What End Times signs should we be looking for?

  • Why is prophecy centered on Israel?

  • What is globalism and how does it play a role?

  • How can I find hope in these difficult days?

  • Where in the Bible can I read about the End Times?

  • What other resources are available to learn more about Bible Prophecy?

Full transcript below.


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Discussion / Application Questions (leave your answers below in the comments!)

  1. Jessica shares that no one thinks of Heaven more than those who have lost someone because it makes it more real to you. Do you feel this to be true after the loss of your baby? When you think of Heaven, what do you think of and what questions do you have? Share your thoughts in a journal.

  2. Ashley and Jessica talk about the resurrected bodies we will have at the Rapture. This includes our sweet babies who have passed. Can you imagine this moment? Spend some time in prayer imagining this beautiful reunion you will have with your baby. What feelings and images come up?

  3. This was a heavy episode with a lot of information on the End Times and Bible Prophecy. How much of it did you already know and how much was new information? What questions do you have? Write down areas you want to study more. How does talking about the End Times make you feel? Scared? Excited? Worried? Hopeful. Process your thoughts in a journal.

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MEET OUR GUEST

Jessica is a mom of four, one living in Heaven, and lives a sweet Southern life out in the country in Tennessee. She spends her time homeschooling, homemaking, and pouring into her Bible prophecy ministry.


Jessica regularly posts about prophecy on her Instagram page and hosts weekend retreats for women passionate about prophecy.


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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT


Episode 22: Bible Prophecy for the Grieving Mother with Jessica Speas


Ashley Opliger: [00:00:00] You’re listening to the Cradled in Hope Podcast where we believe that the hope of Heaven, through faith in Jesus Christ, has the power to heal our hearts after the loss of a baby. It’s a pain no mother should have to endure and we want this podcast to be a safe place for your broken heart to land. Here, we are going to trust God’s promise to restore our joy, use our grief for good, and allow us to spend eternity with our babies in Heaven.


I’m your host, Ashley Opliger. I’m a wife, mom, and follower of Christ clinging to the hope of Heaven. My daughter, Bridget, was stillborn at 24 weeks in my first pregnancy in 2014. In her memory, my husband and I started a nonprofit ministry called Bridget’s Cradles, and God has given us purpose in our pain and we’ve seen beauty come from ashes.


Although we wish you didn’t have a need to be listening to this podcast, we believe God has a reason for you to be here today. We pray this time would be a source of healing for you as we remember that Jesus cradles us in hope while He cradles our babies in Heaven. Though we may grieve, we do not grieve without hope. Welcome to the Cradled in Hope Podcast.


Ashley Opliger: [00:01:26] Hi, mommas, and welcome back. This episode today is going to be a little bit different than past episodes. My guest and I are going to be co-teaching on a topic in an interview style and the topic goes really deep. We are talking about the End Times and our hope is to introduce you to Bible Prophecy so that you will be inspired to dig in and study it on your own.


Now, you may be wondering what the End Times has to do with the loss of your baby or how this will help you in your grief. I'm excited for you to listen because the central message is that we have hope because of Jesus. In our grief and in this crazy, broken world that we live in, things can get really bad, both in our personal lives and in our world.


But because of Jesus, we know that in the end He will be victorious and we will spend forever with Him and our babies in Heaven. He is coming back and that is a reason for us to rejoice.


So I am having my friend, Jessica Speas on with me today because Bible Prophecy is a passion of hers and she is both a grieving mom and teacher of the Bible. She has so much wisdom to share with us.


But before we get started, I want to preface this episode with a few things. First, when it comes to eschatology, the study of the End Times, there are several different persuasions that Christians have, Pre-Millennial, Post-Millennial and Amillennial. These are in reference to the Thousand-Year Reign of Jesus known as the Millennium.


Pre-Mil believes that Jesus will come back before His Millennial Reign, which will be a literal thousand years that happens sometime in the future, after which He will establish the New Earth. Post-Mil believes that His Second Coming will follow His Millennial Reign, which comprises of the time between 70 AD and when Jesus comes back, meaning we are in the Millennium now. And Amil believes that there's no literal Millennium and that when Jesus comes back, He will immediately establish the New Earth.


To make matters more complicated, within the Pre-Millennial view, which believes in a Rapture of the Church, there are three positions of when the Rapture will occur in relation to the Seven-Year Tribulation that happens before the Millennium, Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, and Post-Trib, meaning the Rapture will either happen Pre-Trib, meaning the Rapture will happen right before Tribulation starts or Mid-Trib, meaning the Rapture will happen in the middle of the Seven-Year Tribulation at the three-and-a-half-year mark, or Post-Trib, the Rapture will happen at the end of the Seven-Year Tribulation.


There are so many great resources on eschatology. There are books, debates, podcasts, and blogs, so we are not going to go into each of these different beliefs. But both Jessica and I believe in a literal Thousand-Year Reign, so we will be discussing this episode from a Pre-Millennial, Pre-Trib viewpoint.


We will share scripture to support our statements and encourage you to dig deeper in your own Bible to test what we are saying. I share all of this background knowledge of the different viewpoints not to confuse you, but to be transparent with you on our beliefs and give you a base understanding to study eschatology yourself.


Secondly, I want to mention that we recorded this episode back in December, before everything happened with Russia and Ukraine, so you won't hear us mention it in the episode. But if you're curious as to how the current world events are playing out in prophecy and you're wondering about Russia's role in the End Times, I will link some resources for you to dive further.


In short, Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not a direct fulfillment of a specific Biblical prophecy, but it is potentially a foreshadowing of when Russia will invade Israel in the war of Gog and Magog, which is outlined in Ezekiel 38. If you'd like further resources and discussions on this, I'll link some in our show notes, but we aren't going to be talking about that today.


We truly believe that we live in Biblical times. It's scary yet exciting at the same time. When the world gets dark, we know that our Jesus is coming soon.


So after recording this episode, which was several months ago, I had the chance to meet Jessica in person when I was in Nashville in early March. It was such a joy to meet her and talk about the hope we have in waiting for our Savior’s Second Coming.


So without further ado, I would like to introduce you to Jessica. She is a mom of four, one living in Heaven, and she lives a sweet Southern life out in the country in Tennessee. She spends her time homeschooling, homemaking, and pouring into her Bible prophecy ministry.


Let's dive into this conversation, but before we do, please join our Cradled in Hope moms Facebook group. If you're listening to this on your phone, go ahead and get right on into Facebook and look for the Cradled in Hope Community Group for moms. We are going to continue this conversation and answer any questions you have about this episode or about Bible prophecy in the group. So be sure to connect with us in the Facebook group and let's get started with this episode with Jessica right now.


Ashley Opliger: [00:06:23] Welcome Jessica. I'm so excited to have you here today!


Jessica Speas: [00:06:27] Hey there. Thanks for having me.


Ashley Opliger: [00:06:29] I have been looking forward to this conversation for quite some time. You and I had the opportunity to have another Zoom meeting before, so that we could talk about this topic that is, honestly, not talked about enough in today's culture.


And I am just really looking forward to everything that you're going to share and the wisdom that you have. Before we get started on the topic of Bible prophecy as it relates to us as Christians and as grieving moms, I would love for you to introduce yourself and tell us about your motherhood journey and your experience with losing a baby.


Jessica Speas: [00:07:06] I'm Jessica, been married for 10 years now, got three babies earthside. We homeschool. We're in Tennessee. I have one baby in Heaven. Her name is Layla.


It was about two-ish years after my second baby that I had a miscarriage. I was about eight weeks. And I was at a concert, it was crazy hot in summer and I had all the thoughts of like, “This was my fault. I shouldn't have been at that concert. I shouldn't have been out in the heat,” and very much thought that there was something wrong with me, something I did must have [caused this].


And I hadn't told anyone aside from my husband that I was pregnant yet, and so we very much grieved alone together. And definitely something looking back, I would have reached out to everybody. Like, “I need prayer. I need your help.”


But something that God did through that for me is I had this dream of this sweet little toddler with big, bright eyes and two pigtails coming around the kitchen corner, just the happiest little child that I've ever seen. She was a girl.


And so ever since I had that dream, I'm like, “Okay, she was a girl. She's Layla. She is happy.” And it was that reminder that this person that Jesus loves is with Him. And she's with Him and He's with her.


Ashley Opliger: [00:08:40] And you'll get to see her again.


Jessica Speas: [00:08:42] And I’ll get to see her again, yes.


Ashley Opliger: [00:08:44] I'm so sorry, Jessica. I know that had to have been so hard, especially grieving alone.


I think that's a lot of our culture, says don't announce pregnancies until after 13 weeks, just in case, which, it goes back to so many people believing that a baby's not really a baby until they're born and that these early losses aren't really a loss.


And so many people that have the pro-choice argument say, “Well, it's not really a baby. It's just a clump of cells when it's that early, at eight weeks.” And of course we know that that's not true, that God has created each baby in His image and that a baby is a baby and has an eternal soul at the moment of conception.


Jessica Speas: [00:09:27] Yes.


Ashley Opliger: [00:09:27] And as Christians, we know that. And that's why we grieve our babies no matter how many weeks we were, even if we were four weeks. So I know that that must've been so hard to be grieving with only your husband and not having community of support around you.


Jessica Speas: [00:09:45] Yes.


Ashley Opliger: [00:09:45] What would you say grieving looked like for you during that difficult time? And as a Christian, how did you rely on your faith?


Jessica Speas: [00:09:53] It really brought in the perspective of Heaven for me. No one thinks more of Heaven than those who have lost someone. And I don't even remember where I heard the quote, but it was talking about Heaven and just walking around with the fragrance of Heaven. And I'm like, “That's where I was at.”


I felt more of a connection to eternity because someone so dear to me was there and it made it that more real to me. And then, obviously, that dream was just a God-send that I had the comfort of knowing my sweet little Layla is alive and well.


Ashley Opliger: [00:10:28] Absolutely she is. And yes, I think when you've lost someone, especially a baby, because it's not the natural order for parents, as mothers, for us to have to bury a child or not get to birth a living child.


And you had mentioned no one thinks of Heaven more than a grieving mom, and I do believe that's true. And I think it's an opportunity for us to be all the more fixated on Heaven and all the more focused on our Savior and not to be living for this earthly world, but be focused on His Kingdom that will have no end.


Jessica Speas: [00:11:04] Right.


Ashley Opliger: [00:11:04] And that's what we're going to be talking about today, is the Kingdom that's coming. And before we get started into the nitty-gritty of Bible prophecy. I would love for you to share how you became interested in Bible prophecy. Where did that interest, that passion come from? And then in recent times, how did that take off for you?


Jessica Speas: [00:11:29] I grew up not in Christian homes. I say that because I had a mom and a dad that separated, so I had two homes growing up. But my grandparents’ home was always my refuge growing up, and they were really strong believers.


And my grandma had always told me things, told all of us grandchildren things about the End Times and about what to watch for, and saying, “Hey, this is happening in the world right now,” or, “Watch, this is about to happen.”


And it was seeds that I didn't really pay much attention to, but they were there. They were always in the back of my mind. And then I became Christian at 16 and it was still stuff that I'm like, “Okay. Yeah, I know, Jesus is coming back. That's what every Christian believes, is Jesus is coming back.”


But it wasn't until my family and I moved to Tennessee, and I experienced a very lonely moment in my life. I was very stagnant in my faith. It was about six months after moving here and my family and I were in a tornado in the March of 2020, right before all of this shutdown stuff happened.


And it came down a street over from us and we literally thought we were going to die; came out of that, just completely changed perspective. God woke me up. He snapped me out of my slumber and I was awake.


That's all I can describe it as is that He snapped me out of it. And I saw what my grandma was talking about. I was looking around and like, “Wait, my grandma said this was going to happen.” And it came to almost daily where I was saying that. It was like, “Wait, my grandma said this was going to happen.”


And then so I started slightly saying some stuff on Instagram, testing the waters. And a year later I’ve got this full-blown End Times ministry that I never expected.


Ashley Opliger: [00:13:22] Right. You never know how God is going to use your testimony and the passion that you have for sharing His Word, because it's not just that your grandma told you that these things were going to happen, but that God said it would happen. And it's in His Word, and He says all of these things will come to pass.


So the reason that I felt so convicted to have you on this podcast and to be talking about this topic is because I talk as a Christian all the time about the fact that Jesus is coming back. And that is our hope, Jesus is coming back.


And also, as a grieving mom and as a Christian that believes the Bible to be the infallible, authoritative Word of God, that everything in there is true, when it talks about Him coming and establishing this New Earth and New Heaven, I'm talking about that with moms all the time about Heaven, and the fact that one day we will live on this very earth, a restored earth that goes back to the Creation that God originally made, like the Garden of Eden and the place with no sin and no death.


And we will live there for eternity in our resurrected bodies with our resurrected babies. And we don't know if our babies will be babies or they'll be children or they'll be adults. Scripture is not clear on that, so I want to make sure I say that.


And we don't know what they'll look like, but we can trust that God has a good and perfect plan and that because there's no sin, it's going to be a perfect, happy place and we'll be completely happy with however we get to meet our children.


But where I was being convicted as a leader of a nonprofit, and as a host of a podcast, and as someone who is speaking regularly to grieving moms, was that I felt like I was leaving out a huge part of the Bible when I'm skipping from, “Okay, well, right now we've lost the baby, but we have the hope to see them forever on this New Earth.”


There's a lot that happens between now and then, a lot of events. And there's just so much in Scripture that talks about everything that's going to happen between now and then. And I feel as though I'm doing a disservice to God and I feel like we need to be teaching all of God's Word.


We shouldn't be just picking things out and skipping over the timeline or skipping over details because we don't like them or because they're scary or because we don't know how to necessarily interpret them. We need to be studying Scripture and sharing all of Scripture. And that's why I feel that this is important to grieving moms, to be talking about this.


And the first thing, before we get into it, because we have so much ground to cover as it relates to this, but this is a taboo topic and people are not talking about this. People are skeptical of the conversation. People avoid the conversation altogether. People are confused by it. And there's a lot of confusion, a lot of skepticism about it.


Why do you think that is? Why are people not talking about Bible prophecy?


Jessica Speas: [00:16:29] A blunt answer, a straightforward answer is because prophecy said this would happen. The Bible literally said this was going to happen and it's happening. People are not going to care about this anymore. It was just a few generations ago that this was widely taught in church. And I'd say over the last 20 to 40 years, it has vastly been kicked out of churches in America, essentially.


Ashley Opliger: [00:16:56] Why do you think that is?


Jessica Speas: [00:16:57] Because people are, what Timothy talks about, being lovers of self, and there's this whole list of things that people are going to concern themselves with. And it's not just happening in the unbelievers.


So it's in 2 Timothy 3, and it has this list of how people are going to be in the End Times. And people like to think of that as being unbelievers, but it's believers too. We can already count on unbelievers to be into being lovers of self and everything that it lists, but it's talking about believers.


And there's another verse talking about in the Last Days, there's going to be a whole bunch of mockers and scoffers, and that's in 2 Peter 3. And you'll note that in there it talks about people saying like, “Oh, since the fathers fell asleep, they've been saying this and it hasn't happened.”


And in that context, you can know that these mockers and scoffers are going to be believers as well, because they're referencing the fathers. They are referencing stuff that they have believed before.


And I've gotten it from friends, I've gotten it from people online, like, “Oh, this is what they've been talking about forever and it hasn't happened yet. We don't need to concentrate on this.” And this is literally what Scripture says is going to happen in the Last Days.


Ashley Opliger: [00:18:16] I would like to read 2 Timothy, part of chapter four, starting with verse two, says, “Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, encourage with every form of patient instruction. For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. So they will turn their ears away from the Truth and turn aside to myths. But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.”


And that's talking about these false teachers and false teaching that's going to be prevalent in the church in the End Times, and we're seeing that now more than ever.


Jessica Speas: [00:18:58] Exactly. Yeah, it's everywhere. And so there's so many instances where I have confronted people and they literally will not listen to me because they are clinging to what all of these certain pastors that they've gathered up in their little collection of teachers that they want to follow. And they're like, “No, this is what they're saying.” They will not listen to sound doctrine. It's literally happening.


Ashley Opliger: [00:19:22] I think it's part of our culture as well; I've even been guilty of this myself in the past as a Christian to put certain pastors or authors, Christian influencers even, on this pedestal. And we look to them for truth and guidance and wisdom.


And there's a time and a place for that. Of course, we're supposed to be surrounding ourselves in the body of Christ and to be listening to instruction from godly people. But we need to be filtering everything that we're listening to through the Word of God. Everything needs to be filtered through Scripture.


And if someone is saying something that is not in alignment with God's Word, then we need to consider, should we be still listening to this person? Should we be going to this church? Should we be reading their books? Should we be listening to their podcasts or following them on Instagram?


We need to be very careful. There's many reasons that prophecy is not talked about. And we had talked about as well how the book of Revelation, for example, it's confusing. If you were to just sit here and read it out loud, people would be like, “What is this saying?”

And I think a lot of people assume because it sounds confusing that it's not meant to be interpreted or that we shouldn't really study it or understand it. What would you say to that?


Jessica Speas: [00:20:41] Right in the beginning of Revelation, it says that those who read this book will be blessed. That is the only book in the Bible where it says that. Obviously, we'll be blessed if you read the other parts of the Bible, but that's the only book that actually clarifies that.


And I will say from my ministry, from experience, people come back to me all the time and say, “Wow. I asked for wisdom and understanding, and I studied Revelation and I am filled with joy now and excitement!”


It lights a fire in you, and that's what God intended it to do. He didn't intend it to be this confusing thing that we should just push away. He intended it to be a blessing to you, to look for our Blessed Hope coming, to be in anticipation of this. This was a gift He's given us. Prophecy, as a whole, was a gift He gave us to not only give us hope, but to also tell unbelievers of our coming hope.


John 14: 29 is a great one where Jesus explains when He's talking about Him as a prophecy, He's saying, “I'm telling you these things so that when they happen, you will know who I am.” He gave us prophecy as a tool to tell people what is to come so that when they see these things, they will believe in Him.


There's an easy button to tell people about God, like, “Hey, these things are going to happen, have happened, and now you can believe.”


Ashley Opliger: [00:22:16] Yeah, Jesus Himself has told us, commanded us to be watchful, to be alert, to be on guard, to be looking for these signs. And in the Bible, He actually lists things that we should be looking for and explains what we'll be seeing in the End Times.


The Bible also says that no one knows the time. I’m in Mark 13:32. It says, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be on your guard and stay alert! For you do not know when the appointed time will come.”


Then it goes into talking about the thief or someone robbing your house, that you should be on guard so that you're not surprised when this happens. And it does say, “Keep watch.” And I think when you hear, there's like the crazy Christians that talk about End Times, like it's going to be on January 1st, 2022, and the world is going to end or Y2K, or there's all of that.


And I think those people give the End Times a bad rap because they're very specific in claiming to know when it is, and they're asserting who they think is the Anti-Christ or whatnot.


And sometimes that speculation can kind of muddy the waters, I guess, and make people skeptical of it, or especially when these days and hours that they claim to be the End Times come and pass and then they're saying another day and hour it is, and it just keeps coming. It's like, no, you don't know. But God knows.


Jessica Speas: [00:23:45] One thing I love about those people though, is that they are watching.


Ashley Opliger: [00:23:50] Yeah, that’s true.


Jessica Speas: [00:23:50] There are two sides to this coin. The Scripture says to watch and occupy the time. So we're supposed to be watching, but most of us are just occupying the time.


And some of them, like you mentioned, are watching and they're not occupying the time. They're just consumed with it and getting a little nutso. But that tip of that verse says, “No one knows the day or hour,” that one is quoted to me nonstop because they take this verse, this part of a verse and say, “See, no one knows the day or hour so we shouldn't be watching. We shouldn't be looking.”


And it's like, did you read the rest of that chapter? Because it says “This is why you need to stay awake. This is why you need to look at these signs and measure worldly events to Scripture, so you can see and that you can know the season, it says we will know the season, and so we can warn others, as well.


Ashley Opliger:[00:24:42] The very reason that God tells us that we don't know the day or hour is so that we can be watching for the signs and be looking out for Jesus' return. And some people think, “Well, oh, it's so doom and gloom to be trying to speculate the Anti-Christ and all of these horrible things that are going to play out in the End Times,” because Scripture says it is going to get worse before it gets better.


And that's just the way it is. There's no skirting around that. That's just the way it's going to be. But it's not that we're looking and waiting for the Anti-Christ, it's that we're looking and waiting for our hope and Savior, Jesus. And that's where the hope comes in, knowing that no matter how bad things are going to get, we know that Christ has the victory and we know how this is all going to end.


Jessica Speas: [00:25:32] One of my favorite quotes is that the end is near and the future is bright. That's our hope.


Ashley Opliger: [00:25:38] Absolutely. And you had shared this before. You've said we're living in Biblical times, and I agree with that. And whether or not Jesus comes back in our lifetime, it's still important to be talking about this because we don't want Bible prophecy to die in our generation, because no matter when it happens, we're always one day closer to it happening.


Jessica Speas: [00:26:02] Yes.


Ashley Opliger: [00:26:03] And we know we're getting closer and closer to the End Times and the day that Jesus comes back with each day that we live. And so we're going to talk about the timeline of all of this very soon, and it's going to get very interesting.

I just want to say to our listeners right now, if this is the first time that you're hearing all of this, there's going to be a lot that we talk about that might be a little mind-blowing to you, things that you've never heard of, or you're learning for the first time. And we're going to share Scripture as we're doing so.


Please open your Bible after this and go and study, and test everything that we're saying to the Word of God, and dig in for yourself because it is a lot and it can feel overwhelming. This isn't something you're going to learn overnight or just in this podcast. So we want you to go and study and learn, and we're hoping that this conversation will light a fire in you to do that.


But first, Jessica, would you share, why does this matter to a grieving mom? And why is it important to study Scripture and know Bible prophecy as a follower of Christ?


Jessica Speas: [00:27:07] It’s important to everybody, obviously. It's important to a grieving mom. Grieving moms have a platform they never asked for, but still is. People want to know their thoughts, their views, their belief of where their baby is. And we know, as Christians, that Jesus is coming back soon. That's something that's said all the time, but the details aren't studied.


And if we can give people a detailed hope and more of a play-by-play, they can understand it even more. They can wrap their head around it. And that's what Jesus intended with prophecy in the first place, so we can understand these things and know, and we can have a firm confidence in our blessed assurance, our blessed hope when you study prophecy.


You can be competent in Scripture and we can weed out the lies that are coming at us, because they are coming and they're coming in all different directions. And so when we can be confident in Scripture, we can pass that confidence to other people.


And that's how, like you said, we don't know if it's coming in our lifetime, so we need to pass this on to other people and they need to have that confidence and that assurance, especially when they're seeing things roll out faster and faster. It's not going to stop. Prophecy being fulfilled in the last two years, in the last 70 years, 200 years, it's just getting faster and faster. That’s how labor pains work.


Ashley Opliger: [00:28:39] Yeah, and not only for our influence to share our hope and our beliefs, but also for us to have a firm understanding of what this is going to look like for us. For me, I know that I'm going to see Bridget again in Heaven, but I have so many questions.


What is this going to look like? When am I going to get to see her on the New Earth? And it's not as simple as, “I die, I go to Heaven and that's the end of the story, we're there forever,” because we know there's a temporary Heaven right now where souls go to and our bodies are in the ground when we die. Our babies’ bodies are in the ground or have been cremated and they are awaiting the Resurrection.


And so what we're going to talk about now is basically the timeline in general, but what this looks like. And we can use me as an example, but I want to know if I were to die right now, when would I see Bridget? And when would we have our bodies back? And what's all going to play out until her and I are eventually on the New Earth and the New Heaven, that is a place where sickness has finally been defeated forever and thrown in the Lake of Fire and there's no more sin and death, that scenario?


And then also, what would happen if Jesus were to come back in my lifetime while I was still alive, and talking about the Rapture and how all of this plays out? So this is where we're going to get into the nitty-gritty of Bible prophecy.


And I just want you to walk us through a basic introduction to the timeline of the End Times and when we'll get to see our babies again, when they will be resurrected and when we will get to be with them forever and ever.


Jessica Speas: [00:30:24] First off, when you die, your spirit will be instantly in Heaven with Bridget immediately with Jesus. And we know this because whenever Jesus hung on the cross and that thief that was right next to Him wanted in, and Jesus said, “Today, you will be with Me in Paradise.”


Immediately, yes, he will be in Heaven. His spirit will be in Heaven with Jesus in Paradise. Our bodies, our flesh will be in the ground until the Rapture. So if we don't die, we go up. But it says in 1 Thessalonians, so this is the big verse where this is explained, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The whole book of Thessalonians is a great one to study, but this is where the Rapture is talked about.


It says that the dead will rise first, so the bodies of the dead will rise first. We will have empty graves all over the world. And then we go up right after and it's a gathering in the clouds. We will be gathered in the clouds together, and this is where we will be getting brand new glorified bodies. And I'm so excited for that day!


Ashley Opliger: [00:31:35] Me too. And just to clarify for those that are listening, the Rapture, Jesus comes back in the clouds to take the dead in Christ first, like she mentioned. It says there will be a trumpet call of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. And after that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.


This moment is not the Second Coming of Christ because He does not step foot on the ground. He's in the clouds to take His people with Him. And so that's the Rapture and that can happen at any point, essentially.


Jessica Speas: [00:32:12] Yes. Even the early Christians, the last 2,000 years, people have been living like Jesus could come back at any moment. It is imminent.


They even left each other saying, “Maranatha,” means Jesus is coming, basically. So the biggest deception that has infiltrated in the last 200 years I'll say is that it's not imminent. And we have to look out for everything that happens in the Seven-Year Tribulation before we go up in the clouds.


This is a post-Trib belief that it's like a yo-yo Rapture where we go up real quick, right before Jesus comes back down with us at the end of the Seven-Year Tribulation. It doesn't make any sense because we have a lot of stuff to be doing in the seven years we're in this Heaven while everybody else is on earth.


Ashley Opliger: [00:33:01] Right. And so we're going to be talking about the Seven-Year Tribulation, which is talked about a lot in the Bible. And so when she was mentioning the term Pre-Trib and Post-Trib, what she's referring to is what's called Pre-Tribulation or Post-Tribulation. And that's different views on when the Rapture is going to happen.


And there's even people that believe the Rapture could happen in the middle, so there's another one. Right? So Jessica believes in the Pre-Trib belief and as do I, and again, we're just wanting to share these different viewpoints, because there are Christians that believe in a post-Trib Rapture, and there are actually Christians that don't believe in a Rapture at all.


We want you to go and study the Scriptures that we're sharing and determine this through the Word of God, but we're going to share what we believe, which is that Jesus will Rapture us before the Seven-Year Tribulation, which is essentially when things get really bad on earth.


So why don't you now talk about the Seven-Year Tribulation, now that we've talked about the fact that there's going to be this Rapture before the seven years happens, where the dead in Christ rise first, and then those Christians who believe and have faith in Jesus Christ will be raptured up into Heaven with Him.


So what's going to happen during these seven years?


Jessica Speas: [00:34:23] The Seven-Year Tribulation is called Jacob's Trouble, which is Israel's Trouble. We're going to go through the books to study at the end of this, but this is knowledge that you get when you study Daniel. This is the Jews’ 70th week, which means a whole week is seven years.


And they have had all their 69 years fulfilled already in history. That's a lot to unpack. I'll just leave it at that for right now, but this is the 70th week, so the last seven years for Israel.


So this week is essentially for the Jews, the unbelieving Jews, and it gets kicked off by a globalist leader, the Anti-Christ, signing a peace treaty for seven years. He's going to be seen as this problem solver. Everybody's going to love him.


There's so much in the Bible about his characteristics and he's going to be a smooth talker, the best politician there ever was, pretty much. And for three and a half years, people are going to adore him and trust in him.


But in the meantime of this first three and a half years, there's going to be two witnesses that come down from Heaven. A lot of people believe that it's Elijah and Moses, some believe Enoch, they're going to be doing all these signs and wonders to try to get people to believe on Jesus.


So there's going to be two witnesses. And then on top of that, there's going to be 144,000 Jews that come to know the Lord and they're going to be witnessing. And then on top of that, there's going to be this angel going around also proclaiming the Name of Jesus. So in these first three and a half years, there is going to be a great opportunity to believe on Jesus.


Ashley Opliger: [00:36:06] Because the people that are left behind, and maybe some of you have heard of the Left Behind books or movie that came out, but that's essentially the idea is that after the Rapture, the people who will be left behind are those who do not believe in Jesus.


And so, as you mentioned, there will be more opportunities to come to faith in Christ that culminate up until this three and a half midmark of the Seven-Year Tribulation when things take a turn.


Jessica Speas: [00:36:38] What's also happening in these first three and a half years is seven seals and seven trumpets are being opened from angels in Heaven. And these are all pretty horrible devastations when it comes to natural disasters on the earth. It's going to be really intense.


And one time it was described to me as severe mercies because in these things, there's going to be people that actually believe this is coming from God and still won't submit to Him, because it's going to be so devastating that they're not going to believe that it's coming from anything but a God that they believe hates them. But He's really just trying to wake them up.


And then in the middle of Tribulation, the two witnesses are going to die and Anti-Christ is going to take full credit of this, like he has saved the world from these two witnesses, because everybody's going to believe that it's from them. They were sent by God and it's going to be from them.


They're going to be on the ground, basically, for three days, dead. And everybody's going to see it. It says in the Bible everybody's going to see it. And then they will be resurrected at the end of the three days. And it's going to be this crazy, spiritual, supernatural world that people aren't used to. I hope that wakes up people too.


But anyway, the Anti-Christ will be seen as this hero, and then that is when he turns on the people. He turns and he says, “You need to have this mark to follow me or else you die.”